Enough has been said about BH for him to be disqualified in my book, and given how Williow Creek model was push on much of christainity, we are all well within the commands of the NT to exhibit judgement and wisdom if want, we can start playing the verse naming game if you wish. Buy my books, listen to my sermons, attend my conferences! Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. I get Im not welcome here. Less excusable is the behavior of the elders after it started coming out. And my guess is the elders dont know either. memory loss, mental/mood/behavior changes (such as new or worsening depression, abnormal thoughts, thoughts of suicide, hallucinations, confusion, agitation, aggressive behavior, or anxiety).. Other WCC members are posting this letter on fb. I have Every year for many years OT once and NT twice- every year. Actually, hugging creates a release of oxytocin (also known as the cuddle hormone) in the human body, which can artificially create a sense of trust and closeness. I think Hybels and Billy Graham lost their beliefs somewhere along the way. They often wonder, Did that really just happen? What really just happened? Am I interpreting that correctly? How should I interpret it? etc., etc.. And few of us agree on every point! Contemplative Spirituality can be clearly defined this way: Contemplative Spirituality: A belief system that uses ancient mystical practices to induce altered states of consciousness (the silence) and is rooted in mysticism and the occult but often wrapped in Christian terminology. How can this stand unchallenged? Still not handled. I know a lot of people who just want Christian life to be perfect and they will use every type of denial tactic to believe thats true. I see this is a crucial issue, and I appreciate that Dee has put it forward for consideration in abuse survivor communities. Or perhaps I am not getting it that this is the official stand of the elders, as well as Hybels. I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel On Tuesday, Illinois megachurch pastor Bill Hybels announced that he's resigning amid sexual-misconduct allegations made by church members and employees. And, yes, some people dont come forward with their experiences for dozens of years. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. Lydia, many have long suggested such things, but are officially scoffed at and rejected as conspiracists. 3 comments are deleted. You would think that wannabe preacher boys would be warned off of that in seminary. Her courage will be an inspiration many others. Hybels told her he had taken Ambien to give himself an excuse for not remembering all the wrongs he had done and said to her that night in his room. I have seen it for over 20 years. Brad may be a Christian, one stunted by being immersed in an environment that had the form of godliness while denying the power, but he also may be one who wouldnt know Jesus if He walked up and gave him a hug. I can assure you that everyone is reading the comments!!! He describes how the skilled offender plans the way he will abuse the woman from day one. That ill advised letter by Jodi is one example. These people are the living proof. As Im reading the comments, its becoming evident that theres something horribly wrong with Willow Creek church. Married: Spouse: Lynne Hybels (m. 1974) Son/Daughter: Yes (Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels) Earning: $95,000 : Net Worth: You did nothing to invite such horrors of sexual abuse. To fellowship with other believers? Their view of the person is completely undermined by the experience. Catherine-you are in permanent moderation. The CIA is able to protect their emails as well. Those are, in my opinion, less the goals than the tools used to achieve the real goals, which I am guessing are not the spiritual health of the Body of Christ. I tell you, when someone like BH is exposed, people come out of the woodworks to defend their celebrity hero and attempt to discredit the victims. How many do you want, Brad? But, years of playing the great man on stage can be a very powerful armor. I dont see how Willow Creek can move forward with the existing board. I have said that I do not appreciate victim denigration which is inherent in her supposed expos .Enough is enough. Why wait until now?? And yes, I cuddled our dog as a little girl. At least you know what they are upfront . As I said, I dont hug people at work. It was not the stature of the parities involved that was relevant, but the truth of the matter at hand. She felt even more blessed when in 1985 Mr. Hybels and his wife invited her to move into their home, where she shared family dinners and vacations. It legitimately creates automatic suspicion, and potential legal woes. Big money, fame, power and influence? Your experience fits my own. Or your friends husband. I am one of His people. No longer have their careers as a result of their actions Its been drilled into our heads and many are convinced if the perp or deceiver is confronted (even years later) they will repent. Take look at what Paul says about this immoral situation. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Willow Creek Community Church initially started as a high school ministry but grew over time to become one of the biggest Churches in the United . Lets show the world that there is a place to growth our sin. Why? But it is even harder when those left behind form a militia to hunt down and fire at anyone who dares to question the paradigm. The Devil is destroying yet another church. FWIW, Id love the notification option tooI have the opposite problem as Barb. They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth. I chose to focus on the positive, job well done, not the negative. He spent a week capturing one of the biggest aurora borealis shows in recent years. Dimensions: 0.6" x 5.4" x 8.0" Age Range: 18 years and up Paul Aurandt Jr. Best Study Bible! There will be a full court press to save Hybels legacy. Davids own relationship with God was apparently restored, David continued to worship the God of Israel-to his death as far as I know. Here you will get Bill Hybels's net worth, weight, height net worth, girlfriend, educational qualification and complete bio. Now it seems we have a culture of corruption at Willow Creek from the Top-Down. Perhaps God is looking for a different type of leadership in His Church. I do agree with you, however, that there is enough blame and there has been enough time and somebody should have done something long ago, if that is what you are saying. I have yet to ask these people what they think of all this. This is church. I hope you are right about this. They are not valid reasons. But if true it is still not honorable behavior. Nancy Ortberg remains affiliated as a board member and husband John Ortberg a prolific speaker, author and leader continues to return to be a guest speaker at Willow Creek for several years after they left Willow Creek? . BTW, when I confronted him publicly, his response wasnt, I didnt do it, but You wanted me to. A married man twice my age, I might add, who nobody liked. Get that through your heads. Im not saying any of that is right. @ truthseeker00: Nothing is 100% safe but these wrk pretty well. A dishonest person disposes everything in the hope that nothing will ever be retrieved that reveals his guilt. But the church's growth also took a professional and personal toll on Hybels, who had married his. How many church leaders are not of His sheep ? I know its not popular here, but Im also thankful for their seeker sensitive approach. Time will tell whether WC was following Christ or Hybels. @ Davis and Natasha: "The question of how to pay for reforms long-term became an issue this week after the SBCs Executive Committee announced it had lost $6 million over the past fiscal year, mainly due to the cost of responding to the sex abuse crisis. The answer is quite simple. He wanted to find out if she was still angry with him and what she would do about it if she was. I know in some places and countries, its cultural, but in general, hugging between men and women in the U.S.in workplace situations esp.is not considered appropriate or professional. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. As much as many hate reformed doctrine, there is much less of this particular error. I am thankful for the hard work Bill Hybels and his family have done. Hybels appears to be trying to fade off into the sunset now. And some people here are calling your guru to account for apparently not being obedient at all, for being a fraud, a hypocrite. Hence, I like Brad Futurist guys work, though I do find it sometimes too intellectual for me! https://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Cults-Insidious-All-Consuming-Organization/dp/0814404936. In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. Or even an outlier, if need be. Working our works out of view, Is this a ruse to further that idea? The next morning, Bill and I were the first ones at breakfast in the hotel. Redemption. Agreed. FOUR YEARS!! I fund it demeaning to victims and I dont do demeaning here. Lets pretend we know what we are doing., When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou. @ truthseeker00: Religious, but spiritually destitute. STOP TAKING THE STUFF! Further, if a few women get run over in this situtation it is fine, and in other cases if a bunch of litlle boys get rapped, thats OK since in long run the positives outway the negatives. This has not only damaged women but also affected men, like my husband, who looked up to Bill Hybels as a positive role model. Christ truely cared about the underdog, and did not like religious leaders that abused their positions. The problem is when the church becomes just like the world, when its a big organization with huge budgets and building programs and long-term goals and plans and a big stage with spotlights and a pastor whos a celebrity and whom very few people know, save for the 45 minute public show/motivational speech every week (or far less than every week, if youre Robert The Hairdoo Morris), people have an average drive of 30 miles to the sanctuary and what has been created is so artificial that the church leaders must create these artificial means to patch some fake community thing together so the whole works remains a going concern, what with the bills to pay and all those families dependent on those salaries. Even as red flag after red flag goes up, we push them aside (btw, I now view red flags as the Holy Spirit calling out Warning, this needs careful thought.). -Behaviors went on for many years This story involved a fourteen-year sexual affair. People have been had. Well, yes, absolutely. I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. Often, they blame themselves. I do not believe we can judge what is in the heart of people. LOL I sure never did on the few creepy weirdo hugs I was subjected to! And it would appear that apparently absolutely no one found the need/necessity of bringing poor pastoral attitude, grave scriptural issues, his response, and certain questionable pastoral behavior before the church as directed by scripture. As a consequence, I would urge caution in using thw word heresy with respect to this particular topic. Good grief, until this minute I had no idea there was such a thing as a hug culture. I cannot find the comment so let me Some person, purportedly a woman, is blaming the women for going to Hybels hotel room. Pulling the of the devil card is vintage playbook. I know I already plugged Barbs reviews of Don Hennesseys work, but Ill say again he also describes this process really well (in the context of domestic abuse.). I think you have to either ask, as okrapod mentioned, or kind of read the room. Time for repentance not damage control. Lynne Hybels Bill (281 results). I dont know if you have any experience with megachurch staffs or not. So they were flying around the world together living it up on the giving units dimes. To fellowship with other believers? They share two children named Shauna Niequist who is a bestselling Christian author and Todd Hybels Who Is Lynne Hybels Lynne is the co-founder of Willow Creek Community Church and author of Nice Girls Don't Change the World and a columnist for Sojourners magazine. I do not buy Hybels IT excuse for one second. Not the courtroom. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. Harvey was condemned by Hollywood while Bill received the proverbial Standing O, I had to read this twice. There are cuddle friends. Dont jump to quickly to the question, How could an honest, intelligent person not have seen what was happening under his or her nose for years?. No wonder they get a God complex. Hes clearly a narcissistic predator, and I feel so horrible for his victims, his family, and especially those for who the spell hasnt been broken yet and whom he will continue to abuse. And I admit to being raised that public displays of affection between adults was not the best as it might make some uncomfortable. The celebs were protected by their inner circle who went along with the exterior lie of image and performance, hiding ugly dark secrets. Bill Hybels, (formerly, William Hybels) was born on 12 December 1951 in Kalamazoo, Michigan, U.S. Awkwardly I stayed and we talked for about twenty minutes. Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. . Like they say, to each his own. Whew, those poor WC members have been exposed to some characters! To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. Redemption is just that; a snatching away from utter separation from God and a second chance-sometimes a chance to bring down the idolatrous temple of a strange god and die in the process while you stand there blind and in shackles-but restored by God. Thats what she thinks is comparable? But I believe the women who have been abused by Bill Hybels are telling the truth. It is the Spirits job to convict and change.. And whistleblowers are rarely the pristine good guys with no baggage. Have you ever watched the news when the police pick up some guy who is a pedophile and all the neighbors say But he was so nice. I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. @ Lydia. This is my church and I dont think there are any loliests but there are people who want a full accounting. I think the safest place for interaction is in public. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc This is MBA stuff. The Devil is destroying yet another church. But worse. Convinced and groomed like Good Little Suckers/Easy Marks. Trying to encourage and create the best in everyone.. And Im 49, a loudmouth, professionally trained in safeguarding& so on. My NPD/Sociopath brother once set up a long con against our stepmother, grooming ally after ally FOR SEVERAL YEARS in his TRVTH! Solomon, Bathshebas second son by David. In 1974 Lynne married Bill Hybels, a youth pastor. By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned Jesus Matthew 12:37. Hybels idea on how a church should function was to go out and ask non-believers what a church could do to get them to attend. He is met with a standing ovation and a promised time to honor him and his family. You gotta really watch out for people who hug themselves. These have what I think are some significant parallels from which to consider some larger patterns. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. Dee, is Julie a new commenter here? An honest person has nothing to hide and everything to gain and will save things because he is safe in the knowledge that evidence will only prove his innocence. Of course, if theres some hidden motive of those speaking out, thats one thing, but as has been said, this is all in the process of getting out after many questions have been raised about what was or wasnt done with previous accountability procedures (emails, board meetings, etc.). They were belittled and mocked if they tried to set boundaries or said they preferred not to be hugged. I cannot imagine the pressure that your sister is experiencing. Bill Hybels married Lynne Hybels back in 1974. Yep and the email deal reminds me of someone else. So both Nancy Ortberg and her husband wonderful teaching pastors stayed on the staff later resigned to pastor in California. 3:6, but you gloss over that because really, at the end of the day, in spite of all your preening about your great knowledge of the Koine Greek (proud, haughty, so like your master, eh? In 2014, Leanne Mellado let me know that a good friend of hers had shared a disturbing story. Sometimes you have to look into the darkness in order to see that God is still present and at work. Rather, I think it is their twisted view of both God and humanity. He told me he had taken Ambien. So many Christians mix this whole thing up. The inner motivations and thoughts of an individual. Often, it is only after literally hundreds of these red flags have piled up and someone else mentions that they have this problem with something pastor said or did, that we finally go, What have I done? Many self/proclaimed Christians dont. Be at peace. 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